This is the first unofficial #AIChat for 2019.
#AIChat is a Twitter chat that helps you demystify artificial intelligence.
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Started by @JBarbosaPR.
Should #AI and #robots pay taxes? Mistakes are mine. Not @JBarbosaPR
There has to be a clear intent to make #AI & #Robots pay taxes . Beware, To the masses its a farfetched idea, but the implications of NOT addressing it are unnerving. #society #jobs #taxes #AI #unemployment #disruption @MiaD @nickhtang pic.twitter.com/5TlZuV3B1z
— Jan Barbosa 🐝 (@JBarbosaPR) January 3, 2019
we don’t tax the tools we use to make products,
and AI and Robots are just tools, nothing too tax,
the product that is sold is what should be taxed.— Stanley Waite (@stanleywaite1) January 3, 2019
Taxing robots is crazy and impractical. Should we tax washing machines? How about software? Can you even define the robots that would be taxed?
— Peter Harris (@2peterharris) January 3, 2019
Well #robotics / #AI could wipe out entire departments and make many blue collar jobs obsolete. How many could be trained ? I gave training overseas to a dept changing from paper to digital and a few people just quit their jobs the first day as jobs dry up who pay the tax?
— Jan Barbosa 🐝 (@JBarbosaPR) January 3, 2019
Noting there is a problem is not the same thing as having a good solution. It may be that technology will affect jobs, but taxing robots is not the answer. Software will displace more people than robotic machines, by far.
— Peter Harris (@2peterharris) January 3, 2019
Feel #AI is seen more as a cost cutting tool than a job empowering tool. Already soaring GNP is not representative of economic state of a country as workplace is doing more with less workers and far less salaries.
— Jan Barbosa 🐝 (@JBarbosaPR) January 3, 2019
Cost reduction and productivity improvement are the same thing… In any case, if you propose taxing robots, you first need to define robot, which I submit will be a hard thing to do.
— Peter Harris (@2peterharris) January 3, 2019
Agree, and I get its not in the mind of #techs to implant taxes / use of tech politics. But same for #CRISPR , #AI use, or Job Cutting #tech it will finally rest in the hands of politicians / society / economist to decide possibly never the techs. Great idea for #AICHAT 🤔
— Jan Barbosa 🐝 (@JBarbosaPR) January 3, 2019
Most of it rests in the hands of the developer as they can hold or launch a disruption which usually is far ahead of what Gov is ready for🌐🤔 #AIChat
— BrainBlender🤔🌐 (@BrainBlenderTec) January 3, 2019
Value creation that is not done by human beings needs to pay for the viable marketplace of consumers, who cannot consume if value creation is done by robots. Only in totally insane world do you have robots created to buy stuff they have no idea why there were programmed to buy.
— CityVP Manjit (@CityVP) January 4, 2019
Corporations have Personhood , yet their personhood allows far more flexibility than ours. In a globalized world corporate personhood can move freely between states and achieve perks as tax benefits than humans cant. Then why not #AI / robots fall under same rules ? #ethics #AI
— Jan Barbosa 🐝 (@JBarbosaPR) January 4, 2019
I don’t believe that corporations are people but if you can get 5 votes to swing your way on the Supreme Court – all bets are off. The 1% are not robots, they are living flesh and blood people who need robots to squeeze the next bit of green juice from their plutocratic economy.
— CityVP Manjit (@CityVP) January 5, 2019
Thank you for raising an important, largely overlooked issue: “Why we should start taxing the robots that are taking human jobs (How #automation helps tax avoidance)” via @TC_Africa https://t.co/Z7xmAWNw5D #4IR #AI #Robotics
— Glen Gilmore 🚀 #MWC19 (@GlenGilmore) January 4, 2019
i fully disagree with the idea of taxing the robots…
there has been no problem for decades with the robots that have been used in the car industry, workers have all found new jobs to do and cars became cheaper or better for the same price, more sales generated more tax gained.— Stanley Waite (@stanleywaite1) January 4, 2019
What Jan is proposing isn’t all that far-fetched. Appliances like washing machines are already taxed and so are software, services, etc. We will need to rethink the tax code to accommodate this new category of “robot service providers”.
— Mia Dand (@MiaD) January 3, 2019
Then what you are likely proposing is something more like a broad tax on capital assets, including software. Remember, a machine tool is just another automated worker. But, taxing sources of productivity enhancement is generally bad economics..
— Peter Harris (@2peterharris) January 3, 2019
Our current tax code isn’t adequate to cover the variety of form factors that robots/AI may take in future. Will need input from tech, law makers, accountants, AI ethicists etc. to come up with a solid taxation model. Either way, good discussion! Thanks all!
— Mia Dand (@MiaD) January 3, 2019
This article is discusses the problems that are not solved with taxing robot / AI owners. It is about more than the universal income. https://t.co/xRm9qpECRy
— Kevin K. Conroy (@KevinKConroy) January 3, 2019